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		<title>By: Mother</title>
		<link>http://blog.johnath.com/2009/09/04/deletion/comment-page-1/#comment-214271</link>
		<dc:creator>Mother</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 16:18:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, are you going to fix this mistake and restore the dialog?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, are you going to fix this mistake and restore the dialog?</p>
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		<title>By: Dorus</title>
		<link>http://blog.johnath.com/2009/09/04/deletion/comment-page-1/#comment-214250</link>
		<dc:creator>Dorus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 17:30:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tnx i love “Menu Editor” :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tnx i love “Menu Editor” <img src='http://blog.johnath.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Zéfling</title>
		<link>http://blog.johnath.com/2009/09/04/deletion/comment-page-1/#comment-214249</link>
		<dc:creator>Zéfling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 22:13:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I use the extension &quot;Menu Editor&quot; and I have almost all hidden in the menu, except &quot;property&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I use the extension &#8220;Menu Editor&#8221; and I have almost all hidden in the menu, except &#8220;property&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Dorus</title>
		<link>http://blog.johnath.com/2009/09/04/deletion/comment-page-1/#comment-214246</link>
		<dc:creator>Dorus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 18:29:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I meant Bug 513166 as the second bug number.</description>
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		<title>By: Dorus</title>
		<link>http://blog.johnath.com/2009/09/04/deletion/comment-page-1/#comment-214245</link>
		<dc:creator>Dorus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 16:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, the properties dialogue is about the only [killthem] but i wouldn&#039;t want to lose, i found that useful even in the time i didn&#039;t consider myself a power user. It&#039;s also one of the more technical features that i see common users use more then other technical features. Even even once considered opening a bug for a properties dialogue on video (i want to know stuff like bitrate and resolution), but then strumbled upon a wontfix bug for that, that was linked against the remove properties dialogue bug.

Oh well, since i got firebug these days, i wont miss it.

Anyway, out off the other [killthem] bugs, i even voted for about 5 of them, and got suggestions for some more:

*context menu items on linked image:
(on linked image, context menu is horrible long, i hate long context menu&#039;s, first thing i do when i install a extension, is dig through the properties and disable context menu items.)
** Bookmark this link: You can open the link and bookmark it then, remove this.
** Save link As...: you can open the ... you get the idea.
** Copy link location: Ok, this is actually useful if you are removing the properties dialogue, i suggest bring the dialogue back, and remove this one.
** Copy Image Location: Ok, this is actually useful if you ... Same as above :)
** Save Image As...: You can click View image and then save it. (Notice Save Image As... should be kept when you are viewing a image directly in firefox).
** Send Image...: Just as useless as all previous options, does anybody ever use this?
** Block Images from ...: This is Bug 514739, while you are on it, the entire Block Images feature can be removed from firefox if you ask me. Nobody expect a feature like this in firefox, it&#039;s 4-5 year ago or so now, but then i overheard a conversation of 2 of my classmates, they wanted to remove images from a web page, and where trying to find a extension for it, till i pointed them out this is a default firefox feature.
*context menu items on web page:
** Send Link...: Same as send image above, even less useful as copying the url from the address bar is even easier then copying a image from a web page.
* Options--&gt;Content--&gt;Load images--&gt;Exceptions...: Like mentioned before, this is a useless option. Nobody expect it in firefox, and people will search for a extension (adblock?) when they need it.
* Options--&gt;Advanced--&gt;General--&gt;Accessibility--&gt;Warn me when web sites try to redirect or reload the page: This can go to the Security--&gt;Warning messages--&gt;Settings list, witch by itself is a candidate for removal by Bug 514739
* Options--&gt;Advanced--&gt;Update--&gt;Show Update History: Ok, it&#039;s under Advanced, witch allow slightly more junk then other pages, but i never understood the use of this dialogue. Not to mention the dialogue itself got it&#039;s problems: A link from there always opens in a new window.

Ok, that was long, and i only wend trough visual features now. I&#039;m willing to open bugs on this stuff, if they have any change in not being marked as &#039;wontfix&#039; on first sight :)
I&#039;m sure there is more stuff that made it into firefox over the year that&#039;s just plain useless for most people. One other thin that bothers me about firefox recently is that the download size is getting out of  hand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, the properties dialogue is about the only [killthem] but i wouldn&#8217;t want to lose, i found that useful even in the time i didn&#8217;t consider myself a power user. It&#8217;s also one of the more technical features that i see common users use more then other technical features. Even even once considered opening a bug for a properties dialogue on video (i want to know stuff like bitrate and resolution), but then strumbled upon a wontfix bug for that, that was linked against the remove properties dialogue bug.</p>
<p>Oh well, since i got firebug these days, i wont miss it.</p>
<p>Anyway, out off the other [killthem] bugs, i even voted for about 5 of them, and got suggestions for some more:</p>
<p>*context menu items on linked image:<br />
(on linked image, context menu is horrible long, i hate long context menu&#8217;s, first thing i do when i install a extension, is dig through the properties and disable context menu items.)<br />
** Bookmark this link: You can open the link and bookmark it then, remove this.<br />
** Save link As&#8230;: you can open the &#8230; you get the idea.<br />
** Copy link location: Ok, this is actually useful if you are removing the properties dialogue, i suggest bring the dialogue back, and remove this one.<br />
** Copy Image Location: Ok, this is actually useful if you &#8230; Same as above <img src='http://blog.johnath.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
** Save Image As&#8230;: You can click View image and then save it. (Notice Save Image As&#8230; should be kept when you are viewing a image directly in firefox).<br />
** Send Image&#8230;: Just as useless as all previous options, does anybody ever use this?<br />
** Block Images from &#8230;: This is Bug 514739, while you are on it, the entire Block Images feature can be removed from firefox if you ask me. Nobody expect a feature like this in firefox, it&#8217;s 4-5 year ago or so now, but then i overheard a conversation of 2 of my classmates, they wanted to remove images from a web page, and where trying to find a extension for it, till i pointed them out this is a default firefox feature.<br />
*context menu items on web page:<br />
** Send Link&#8230;: Same as send image above, even less useful as copying the url from the address bar is even easier then copying a image from a web page.<br />
* Options&#8211;&gt;Content&#8211;&gt;Load images&#8211;&gt;Exceptions&#8230;: Like mentioned before, this is a useless option. Nobody expect it in firefox, and people will search for a extension (adblock?) when they need it.<br />
* Options&#8211;&gt;Advanced&#8211;&gt;General&#8211;&gt;Accessibility&#8211;&gt;Warn me when web sites try to redirect or reload the page: This can go to the Security&#8211;&gt;Warning messages&#8211;&gt;Settings list, witch by itself is a candidate for removal by Bug 514739<br />
* Options&#8211;&gt;Advanced&#8211;&gt;Update&#8211;&gt;Show Update History: Ok, it&#8217;s under Advanced, witch allow slightly more junk then other pages, but i never understood the use of this dialogue. Not to mention the dialogue itself got it&#8217;s problems: A link from there always opens in a new window.</p>
<p>Ok, that was long, and i only wend trough visual features now. I&#8217;m willing to open bugs on this stuff, if they have any change in not being marked as &#8216;wontfix&#8217; on first sight <img src='http://blog.johnath.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
I&#8217;m sure there is more stuff that made it into firefox over the year that&#8217;s just plain useless for most people. One other thin that bothers me about firefox recently is that the download size is getting out of  hand.</p>
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		<title>By: Dizzy</title>
		<link>http://blog.johnath.com/2009/09/04/deletion/comment-page-1/#comment-214244</link>
		<dc:creator>Dizzy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 23:02:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@nobody, You put it better than I could...

Any object in an ui or content layout should have a properties dialog, first as a way of inquiring pertinent information about that object (be it as little as the alt text) and second as a well defined entry point for extensions that can offer a greater amount of information. Also, please consider that a majority of people really came to expect to have &#039;properties&#039; available everywhere.
Myself, I started using Firebird back in the day and _that_ was a fast, light, lean browser. Firefox hasn&#039;t been that way for a long time, nowadays it aims to be powerful and fully featured. There are lots of places where (mostly newly added) bloat must be kept under control and I&#039;m all for simplyfying the experience and optimising the code (yes, that &#039;enable java&#039; checkbox was pointless), but removing _this_ dialog won&#039;t get us a faster/better/leaner product, it will just disappoint a lot of people that used it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@nobody, You put it better than I could&#8230;</p>
<p>Any object in an ui or content layout should have a properties dialog, first as a way of inquiring pertinent information about that object (be it as little as the alt text) and second as a well defined entry point for extensions that can offer a greater amount of information. Also, please consider that a majority of people really came to expect to have &#8216;properties&#8217; available everywhere.<br />
Myself, I started using Firebird back in the day and _that_ was a fast, light, lean browser. Firefox hasn&#8217;t been that way for a long time, nowadays it aims to be powerful and fully featured. There are lots of places where (mostly newly added) bloat must be kept under control and I&#8217;m all for simplyfying the experience and optimising the code (yes, that &#8216;enable java&#8217; checkbox was pointless), but removing _this_ dialog won&#8217;t get us a faster/better/leaner product, it will just disappoint a lot of people that used it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Damian</title>
		<link>http://blog.johnath.com/2009/09/04/deletion/comment-page-1/#comment-214243</link>
		<dc:creator>Damian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 19:16:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>o_0, I use that all the time :(.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>o_0, I use that all the time <img src='http://blog.johnath.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
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		<title>By: Zéfling</title>
		<link>http://blog.johnath.com/2009/09/04/deletion/comment-page-1/#comment-214242</link>
		<dc:creator>Zéfling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 18:43:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s been years that I expect the JP2000 support for the transparency (to avoid using Flash: JPEG with alpha layer), and although this has never happened.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s been years that I expect the JP2000 support for the transparency (to avoid using Flash: JPEG with alpha layer), and although this has never happened.</p>
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		<title>By: ant</title>
		<link>http://blog.johnath.com/2009/09/04/deletion/comment-page-1/#comment-214241</link>
		<dc:creator>ant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 17:25:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can we get rid of APNG next? The only two places in the universe it&#039;s used are the Wikipedia article on APNG and the throbber.

Not even GIMP or ImageMagick support it after two years, so I think it&#039;s safe to say the format is a complete and utter failure. Give us back feature-parity with Konqueror.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can we get rid of APNG next? The only two places in the universe it&#8217;s used are the Wikipedia article on APNG and the throbber.</p>
<p>Not even GIMP or ImageMagick support it after two years, so I think it&#8217;s safe to say the format is a complete and utter failure. Give us back feature-parity with Konqueror.</p>
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		<title>By: nobody</title>
		<link>http://blog.johnath.com/2009/09/04/deletion/comment-page-1/#comment-214239</link>
		<dc:creator>nobody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 13:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Firefox came about because people weren’t afraid to remove things. By cutting down on what the majority of people didn’t want or use, a better, leaner product was made. This is really just an extension of that same philosophy.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Excellent, bookmarks and history &lt;b&gt;are&lt;/b&gt; going to be removed then?  Since when do the majority use history, gestures, geo-location or microsummeries?  I think you see the point I&#039;m making without me elaborating further.

I do use the properties dialog, I use it more often than the never-used features I mentioned above.  I think in this instance, you have a feature that&#039;s incredibly useful for the average user on the occassion that they need it.

I say that this code was a candidate for refactoring rather than removal.  Oh well...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Firefox came about because people weren’t afraid to remove things. By cutting down on what the majority of people didn’t want or use, a better, leaner product was made. This is really just an extension of that same philosophy.</p></blockquote>
<p>Excellent, bookmarks and history <b>are</b> going to be removed then?  Since when do the majority use history, gestures, geo-location or microsummeries?  I think you see the point I&#8217;m making without me elaborating further.</p>
<p>I do use the properties dialog, I use it more often than the never-used features I mentioned above.  I think in this instance, you have a feature that&#8217;s incredibly useful for the average user on the occassion that they need it.</p>
<p>I say that this code was a candidate for refactoring rather than removal.  Oh well&#8230;</p>
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